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Could Russia Really Shoot Down an F-22, F-35 or B-2 Stealth Bomber in Syria?

October 7, 2016

As tensions between Washington and Moscow flare, the Russian military is warning the United States that it has the ability to target stealth aircraft such as the Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor, F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit that might be operating over Syria with the Almaz-Antey S-400 (NATO: SA-21 Growler) and the recently arrived S-300V4 (NATO: SA-23 Gladiator) air and missile defense systems. However, Western defense officials and analysts are skeptical and note that both the F-22 and the F-35 were specifically designed to counter those Russian-developed weapons.

“Russian S-300, S-400 air defense systems deployed in Syria’s Hmeymim and Tartus have combat ranges that may surprise any unidentified airborne targets,” Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major General Igor Konashenkov told the Russian state media outlet Sputnik. “Operators of Russian air defense systems won’t have time to identify the origin of airstrikes, and the response will be immediate. Any illusions about ‘invisible’ jets will inevitably be crushed by disappointing reality.”

However, while Moscow makes bold claims about the counter-stealth capabilities of their S-400 and S-300V4 air defense systems, the fact remains that even if Russian low-frequency search and acquisitions radars can detect and track tactical fighter-sized stealth aircraft such as the F-22 or F-35, fire control radars operating in C, X and Ku bands cannot paint low observable (LO) jets except at very close ranges. Stealth is not—and never has been—invisibility, but it does offer greatly delayed detection so that a fighter or bomber and can engage a target and leave before the enemy has time to react.

Tactical fighter-sized stealth aircraft must be optimized to defeat higher-frequency bands such the C, X and Ku bands—that’s just a simple matter of physics. There is a ‘step change’ in an LO aircraft’s signature once the frequency wavelength exceeds a certain threshold and causes a resonant effect. Typically, that resonance occurs when a feature on an aircraft—such as a tail-fin or similar— is less than eight times the size of a particular frequency wavelength. Fighter-sized stealth aircraft that do not have the size or weight allowances for two feet or more of radar absorbent material coatings on every surface are forced to make trades as to which frequency bands they are optimized for.

That means that radars operating at a lower frequency band such as parts of the S or L band are able to detect and track certain stealth aircraft. But ultimately, to counter lower frequency radars, a larger flying-wing stealth aircraft design like the Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit or the B-21 Raider—which lacks many of the features that cause a resonance effect—is a necessity. But at the UHF and VHF band wavelengths, designers are not trying to make the aircraft invisible—rather engineers hope to create a radar cross-section that will blend in with the background noise that is inherent to low-frequency radars.

Low frequency radars can be used to cue fire control radars however. Additionally, some U.S. adversaries have started to make an effort to develop targeting radars that operate at lower frequencies. However, those lower frequency fire-control radars exist only in theory—and are a long way off from being fielded.

“Stealth is ‘delayed detection’ and that delay is getting shorter. SAM (Surface-to-Air Missile) radars are shifting their frequencies into lower frequency bands where U.S. stealth is less effective,” said Mark Gammon, Boeing’s F/A-18E/F and EA-18G program manager for advanced capabilities, had told me some time ago. “Early warning radars are in the VHF spectrum where stealth has limited if any capability. These radars are networked into the SAM radars giving the SAM radars cued search.”

But low-frequency radars do not themselves provide a “weapons quality” track that is needed to guide a missile onto a target. There are various techniques that have been proposed to use low frequency radars for such purposes, but none of those are likely to prove viable. U.S. Air Force Col. Michael Pietrucha had described one possible approach to me to accomplish such a feat in an article I wrote for Aviation Week & Space Technology a few years ago. However, U.S. Air Force officials were dismissive of the technique. “Just because something is technically possible doesn’t make it tactically feasible,” one Air Force official with extensive stealth aircraft experience explained.

Meanwhile, operational Raptor pilots tell me “it would be really classified to discuss specific SAM counter tactics,” however, the F-22 is more than capable of defeating any of the current Russian surface-to-air missile systems that are currently or projected to be fielded. Hopefully, we will not have to find out the how effective the Raptor truly is during a shooting war over Syria—since conflicts can rapidly escalate out of control, as history loves to teach us over and over again .

Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for The National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @Davemajumdar.

Original post @nationalinterest.org


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Turkish F16 Fighter Jet Downed by PKK in IRAQ

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A Turkish F16 fighter jet has been downed by Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) guerrillas according to reports.

Turkish fighter jets had been shelling the Qandil region in the Kurdistan Regional Government (Northern Iraq) since 18:51 Thursday evening.

Local sources have reported that one of the fighter jets was downed at around 21:30 local time, as the aerial aggression continued.



QANDIL (KDN) – One of Turkish F-16 fighter jets bombarding Qandil region in South Kurdistan was shot down by Kurdish forces at around 20.30 pm local time on Thursday, Kurdish sources said.

Local sources also confirmed the downing of the jet in Pişta Şanê area Thursday evening while conducting airstrikes against Kurdish forces.

On September 27, a Turkish fighter jet was downed over Gare region near Turkish-South Kurdistan border at around 20.30 pm local time. Although local journalist published footage of the wreckage of the downed Turkish jet, Turkey’s Islamist government claimed all its…

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Chinese navy Type 054 frigate “Ma’anshan” sudden appearance in #Tartus #Syria

The Type 054 (NATO Codename Jiangkai I) frigate


General characteristics
Type: Frigate
Displacement: 3,900 tons (full)
Length: 134 m (440 ft)(CCTV)
Beam: 16 m (52 ft) (CCTV)
Draught: 5 m (16 ft)
Propulsion: Combined diesel and diesel (CODAD), 4× SEMT Pielstick 16 PA6 STC diesels, 5700 kW (7600+ hp @ 1084 rpm) each
Speed: 27 kn (50 km/h) estimated
Range: 8,025 nautical miles (14,900 km) estimated
Sensors and
processing systems:
·Type 363S (Thomson-CSF DRBV-15 Sea Tiger) 2D air/surface search radar, E/F band

·Type 345 (Thomson-CSF Castor-II) fire-control radar for HQ-7 SAM, I/J band

·Type 347G Rice Lamp fire control radar for AK-630CIWS guns, I-band

·MR-36A surface search radar, I-band

·Type MR34 100 mm gun fire control radar

·2× Racal RM-1290 navigation radars, I-band

·MGK-335 medium frequency active/passive sonar system

·ZKJ-4B/6 (developed from Thomson-CSF TAVITAC) combat data system

·HN-900 Data link (Chinese equivalent of Link 11 A/B, to be upgraded)


Electronic warfare
& decoys:
·Type 922-1 radar warning receiver

·HZ-100 ECM & ELINT system

Armament: ·2× 4-cell YJ-83 (C-803) anti-ship missiles

·1× HQ-7 8-cell SAM launcher

·1× Type 210 100 mm naval gun

·4× AK-630 6-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns

·Triple 324 mm YU-7 ASWtorpedoes

·Rocket launchers, possibly ASW rockets or decoy rockets

Aircraft carried: Kamov Ka-28 ‘Helix’ or Harbin Z-9C
Aviation facilities: hangar


Number Pennant number Name Builder Launched Commissioned Fleet Status
1 525 马鞍山/ Ma’anshan Hudong September 2003 February 2005 East Sea Fleet Active
2 526 温州 / Wenzhou Huangpu November 2003 September 2005 East Sea Fleet Active

Source @wikiwand.com